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Aug. 31st, 2006 01:35 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
tanaiseWell, I was sad and jealous of the SFWA lounge slapfight that I missed out on. (not, however, sad that my money isn't supporting them)
So I went and read sff.net instead, and found my favorite post yet: ( Well, there was a clicky, but the post it went to has been deleted because it angers some people that I read the internets. Good luck with that.) The jist of it was someone agreeing that Harlan had acted inappropriately. I had said I wasn't going to start a conversation unless she made a big deal about how if she'd been at the Hugos, she would have spoken out, but I can't wait for that post, so I'm starting one anyways.
See, this post is particularly impressive because back in the good old days of Helix slapfights, Doranna defended Sanders when Kat pointed out that he was using unnecessarily foul language. Defended him using, if I remember correctly, the same basic arguments that the Harlan Apolgists just used.
Now, maybe it's my ridiculously over-PC behavior, or whatever, but I'm missing where the line is--is it that this involved physical contact as opposed to just graphic descriptions? Is it that Kat is unpublished and Connie is a respected professional? Why is this behavior inexcusably bad, even to her, and the other shrugged off as just boys being boys?
I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but hello? No wonder we can't get the boys to behave when we can't even get the women all on the same page.
So I went and read sff.net instead, and found my favorite post yet: ( Well, there was a clicky, but the post it went to has been deleted because it angers some people that I read the internets. Good luck with that.) The jist of it was someone agreeing that Harlan had acted inappropriately. I had said I wasn't going to start a conversation unless she made a big deal about how if she'd been at the Hugos, she would have spoken out, but I can't wait for that post, so I'm starting one anyways.
See, this post is particularly impressive because back in the good old days of Helix slapfights, Doranna defended Sanders when Kat pointed out that he was using unnecessarily foul language. Defended him using, if I remember correctly, the same basic arguments that the Harlan Apolgists just used.
Now, maybe it's my ridiculously over-PC behavior, or whatever, but I'm missing where the line is--is it that this involved physical contact as opposed to just graphic descriptions? Is it that Kat is unpublished and Connie is a respected professional? Why is this behavior inexcusably bad, even to her, and the other shrugged off as just boys being boys?
I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but hello? No wonder we can't get the boys to behave when we can't even get the women all on the same page.
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Date: 2006-09-03 04:10 am (UTC)Truth is, if you'd come directly to me and asked the question you pose in your post, I would have answered as best I could. (I don't mean to say we would have come to an understanding; I just mean that I would have responded honestly, with intent to clarify.) But I don't think you really want to know, or you would have simply asked me instead of making me fodder for your own purposes.
BTW, I don't have the faintest idea what I would have done under those circumstances. I do think that what actually happened--as seen on film--was classy, but should be required of no one.
--Doranna
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Date: 2006-09-03 05:11 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-09-03 03:25 pm (UTC)(In the meantime I'm hitting the road, so I'm done here.)